Curse

Lux Aeterna · Jun 02, 2009, 06:08 AM // 06:08

So my guild went kurzick, right. Instead of immediately leaving I tried ABing on the kurzick side. This is what I found:

1) As soon as it goes back to Grenz, Kurzick ab just clears out like Luxon on a bad 3am's ancestral.

2) Few monks. Most monks are non-standard builds. One cursed the "spikkes", while being Mo/E with no antimelee whatever. Shroud of distress with no Guardian on a WoH build.

3) "GLF RoJ", NEED I SAY MORE.

4) Bad kurzick vibes making me suck.

5) Threatened with reports twice in the night, maybe I was just being a dick but this only happened once in months of Luxon.

6) People advertising based on rank. People asking my rank, getting dissed (see above), then turning out to have healing hands on their Mo/Me build.

7) Luxons camping the doorstep on Grenz every time.

Yes, Luxon loses some of the time. But people are saying we haven't seen the Jade Sea in a week, and it's true.

Why is fail just such a widespread pattern for kurzicks?

Divine Ashes · Jun 02, 2009, 06:39 AM // 06:39

This is why I JQ or FA on Kurz...it's rare to win an AB...

Espadon · Jun 02, 2009, 06:52 AM // 06:52

More people play Kurz overall, so you get more bad players more often. Gud Kurz can be gud.

leetLoLa · Jun 02, 2009, 06:54 AM // 06:54

kurzicks play JQ now...

tmakinen · Jun 02, 2009, 07:11 AM // 07:11

Instead of asking why Kurzicks are bad you should ask why there are so many bad Kurzicks in AB - although that may sound like semantic tricks there's an actual difference. In a mini-game like AB there is a positive feedback where the weaker side gets progressively weaker when the most skilled portion of the weaker side recognizes that any prospective rewards are not worth their time and go elsewhere. Thus, a relatively minor initial difference in average player skill level tends to grow over time.

As to why the Kurzick side draws more unskilled players ... it may be because of aesthetic reasons (emo kids thinking it's cool to be a Kurzick) or possibly just inertia (Kurzicks used to have the Lutgardis FFF run, making Kurzick allegiance easier to max, consequently the preferred choice of faction, so if there are still more Kurzick guilds in existence that imbalance is likely to remain).

After maxing Luxon I switched to Kurzick and have gotten to r8 just by playing JQ. On a normal day, Kurzicks have over 80% win chance at JQ but when there's a bonus day/weekend it drops to about 50/50 chances.

Gift3d · Jun 02, 2009, 07:27 AM // 07:27

kurzick generally has better looking armor - therefore more kurzick guilds - therefore larger kurzick population - therefore a lot more shitty players since 95% of all guild wars players are bad at game

hooizak · Jun 02, 2009, 08:14 AM // 08:14

troubles with kurzick teams? Get a guildie team,4/12 can make a difference.
I ve played AB till i hit r8, then went to JQ and FA, easy faction there...
Besides AB wasnt always so dominated by lux as it is nowadays, give it time, this will probably change again, or not... borders move, just pick the right time to AB...

AznAndy · Jun 02, 2009, 08:23 AM // 08:23

i totally agree with some statements here. I've r10 Kurzick. When i do AB there are so many people who don't even know what capping means. 90% of the time its me and my guildies the one who are capping and NOT walking along with the damn mobs. 90% of the kurzicks who are AB'ing are people who mobs and who just want to kill luxons instead of actually winning... Really makes me want to go to Luxons...

seraphite86 · Jun 02, 2009, 08:33 AM // 08:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by hooizak

troubles with kurzick teams? Get a guildie team,4/12 can make a difference.

I can vouch for that. I enjoy playing with my guild group for the Kurzick side and "Oh MY" how just a measly group of four people can change the outcome of a round.

Bobby2 · Jun 02, 2009, 11:12 AM // 11:12

So why'd your guild go Kurz in the first place?

Divinus Stella · Jun 02, 2009, 11:16 AM // 11:16

I've noticed the line has been sitting in kurzick territory, i think its more to do with all the kurzick players that want the title moving to speed clears since AB is so poor for faction.

I think its safe to say everyone playing AB is bad, not just the kurzicks, want PvP? go to a real PvP arena, want faction? go to eternal grove.

ogre_jd · Jun 02, 2009, 11:21 AM // 11:21

Strange. Last time I AB'd (10 months ago, I guess - I really should try and find a guild), the odds seemed more slanted towards the Kurzicks... And, of course, no one played Jade Quarry back then, either. Wonder what's changed?

Shadow Slave · Jun 02, 2009, 11:26 AM // 11:26

This is a question which has plagued me since I moved to a Kurzick guild too....

Perhaps we should form a secret society that arranges teams in a super secret district.....

I miss being Luxon.

distilledwill · Jun 02, 2009, 11:46 AM // 11:46

I usually would roll out the "arbitrary difference" "luxons and kurzick people are the same" arguement.
But seeing as the map is usually on Grenz, suggesting a slight higher level of skill on the luxon side, i dunno....

Dawn Angelheart · Jun 02, 2009, 11:54 AM // 11:54

Personally, Ive been Kurzick From day one. all i can say this is, guild team-guild team-guild team, While i love pugging, for ab i just dont, Most good kurzicks Play JQ now. Or do MTVQ. the only time kurzicks play well is double faction weekends when all the good kurzicks return and keep the map atleast on Entheran Keys for 3/4 of the weekend.

Spiritz · Jun 02, 2009, 11:58 AM // 11:58

I rarely do ab or any pvp but from pve experiance you tend to see a lot of kurz guilds recruiting who are long term or new,new ones tend to offer officer positions to anyone so making it attractive to new players.I tend to see also myself that a percentage of kurz guilds offer cash for ppl donating faction but these usually stick out more than the ones who require daily donations of set amount.I do know high faction lux guilds do offer similar perks to members but i only tend to see a smaller amount than the kurz.
Another reason could be - and this works both ways
Kurz max rank players may decide to change to luxon to max luxon title thus if any are decent ab players they get removed from kurz and into lux,luxons do same and upon arrival the ex-lux see kurz ab without the decent players .The kurz decent players are now in lux so it can appear theres no decent players.
Same can be said when kurz change to lux - its just the migration of decent players from one side to the other as well as timezones etc.

Im sure also a lot of kurz guilds have fff in some form and usually it means less players in ab - why do ab when a vq/fff can net you more faction in a run than say maybe 2 or 3 ab matches ?

Oryon · Jun 02, 2009, 12:13 PM // 12:13

Kurzicks do DSC now

And Luxons do MQSC, this is the way we farm points, and AB JQ FA is just for fun now, maybe luxons take it more srsly

Ate of DK · Jun 02, 2009, 12:45 PM // 12:45

Strange, I played a few matches the other day and wondered if all Luxons are bots because they played so poorly or ragequit. It was the middle map of the 5 with the elementalist dragon.

Same for Jade Quarry... every match you see a Mo/P run towards the yellow quarry, try to get past the Kurzick NPC's and gets an imterrupt on the first skill. Usualy RoJ...

lewis91 · Jun 02, 2009, 12:51 PM // 12:51

Ive always said the kurzick suck (And ive been kurzick since i started playing)

But don't think the luxons are too much better. I played AB for the first time in days yesterday, and i was hit by 2 x RoJ (two different RoJs, im not stupid enough to stand still)

And when i said "Lol im not a broken NPC" they responded "Shut up noob"

Talk about manners.

Ive always seen the highest amount of touchers on the luxon side, as with A/w pvxwiki sins.

But bitchyness aside. Yeh kurzicks suck ass, i have noticed in games where we were totally trashed by the luxons, we've got like 8 sins that insist on standing around waiting to gank, and the luxons got a fully balanced team.

You rarely find a monk on the kurzick side, and when you do, they suck lol.

So yeah, go to JQ, you rarely loose there as kurzick.

Johny bravo · Jun 02, 2009, 12:56 PM // 12:56

The big difference is probably that the Kurzick just grab 4 people for capping and go and the Luxons actually set up their 4 man teams a little more